Ramsco's Women Empowerment Initiative Recognized Among Top BRICS Businesswomen Practices for 2025    Egypt, Elsewedy review progress on Ain Sokhna phosphate complex    Gold prices end July with modest gains    Pakistan says successfully concluded 'landmark trade deal' with US    Egypt's FM, US envoy discuss Gaza ceasefire, Iran nuclear talks    Modon Holding posts AED 2.1bn net profit in H1 2025    Egypt's Electricity Ministry says new power cable for Giza area operational    Egypt's Al-Sisi, Italian defence minister discuss Gaza, security cooperation    Egypt's FM discusses Gaza, Nile dam with US senators    Aid airdrops intensify as famine deepens in Gaza amid mounting international criticism    Health minister showcases AI's impact on healthcare at Huawei Cloud Summit    On anti-trafficking day, Egypt's PM calls fight a 'moral and humanitarian duty'    Federal Reserve maintains interest rates    Egypt strengthens healthcare partnerships to enhance maternity, multiple sclerosis, and stroke care    Egypt keeps Gaza aid flowing, total tops 533,000 tons: minister    Indian Embassy to launch cultural festival in Assiut, film fest in Cairo    Egyptian aid convoy heads toward Gaza as humanitarian crisis deepens    Culture minister launches national plan to revive film industry, modernise cinematic assets    Rafah Crossing 'never been closed for one day' from Egypt: PM    I won't trade my identity to please market: Douzi    Two militants killed in foiled plot to revive 'Hasm' operations: Interior ministry    Egypt's EHA, Huawei discuss enhanced digital health    Egypt, Oman discuss environmental cooperation    Egypt's EDA explores pharma cooperation with Belarus    Foreign, housing ministers discuss Egypt's role in African development push    Egypt reveals heritage e-training portal    Three ancient rock-cut tombs discovered in Aswan    Sisi launches new support initiative for families of war, terrorism victims    Egypt expands e-ticketing to 110 heritage sites, adds self-service kiosks at Saqqara    Egypt's Irrigation Minister urges scientific cooperation to tackle water scarcity    Palm Hills Squash Open debuts with 48 international stars, $250,000 prize pool    On Sport to broadcast Pan Arab Golf Championship for Juniors and Ladies in Egypt    Golf Festival in Cairo to mark Arab Golf Federation's 50th anniversary    Germany among EU's priciest labour markets – official data    Paris Olympic gold '24 medals hit record value    A minute of silence for Egyptian sports    Russia says it's in sync with US, China, Pakistan on Taliban    It's a bit frustrating to draw at home: Real Madrid keeper after Villarreal game    Shoukry reviews with Guterres Egypt's efforts to achieve SDGs, promote human rights    Sudan says countries must cooperate on vaccines    Johnson & Johnson: Second shot boosts antibodies and protection against COVID-19    Egypt to tax bloggers, YouTubers    Egypt's FM asserts importance of stability in Libya, holding elections as scheduled    We mustn't lose touch: Muller after Bayern win in Bundesliga    Egypt records 36 new deaths from Covid-19, highest since mid June    Egypt sells $3 bln US-dollar dominated eurobonds    Gamal Hanafy's ceramic exhibition at Gezira Arts Centre is a must go    Italian Institute Director Davide Scalmani presents activities of the Cairo Institute for ITALIANA.IT platform    







Thank you for reporting!
This image will be automatically disabled when it gets reported by several people.



On the border between two languages
Published in Daily News Egypt on 02 - 05 - 2008

Ten years ago, when Dr. David Sagiv began preparing the Arabic-Hebrew - Hebrew-Arabic dictionary he recently completed, he was more optimistic than he is today. At that time, he and his wife, Marcelle, would go every year to Cairo, where he had established contact with some of the most important intellectuals in Egypt. The shelves of his bookcase in Jerusalem are filled with Arabic books, some of which contain dedications from Egyptian authors. For several years, it seemed as though cultural relations between Israel and Egypt were gradually being woven. But in the last few years, since the Al-Aqsa Intifada broke out, David and Marcelle Sagiv no longer visit Egypt.
Today we are less in touch with our friends in Egypt, Sagiv says. There is a serious process of deterioration in ties. Perhaps it is their fault, perhaps it is ours, but it is not a good thing. One needs someone crazy, like me, who will swim against the stream and publish a dictionary with the aim of getting the two cultures closer.
Sagiv, who was born in Iraq, has been compiling dictionaries for decades, as well as teaching Arabic language and translating literary works from Arabic into Hebrew. In 1985, he published a Hebrew-Arabic dictionary in two volumes, which became a must-have object on the bookshelf of any Israeli who deals with the Arabic language. Sagiv s new dictionary, which has more than 1,000 pages, is the most comprehensive dictionary that contains in one volume both an Arabic-Hebrew and a Hebrew-Arabic dictionary. It weighs a ton, he says, holding the heavy volume in his hand.
Sagiv began collecting words as far back as the 1950s, when he worked as a journalist and director of Israel Radio s Arabic service.
I started writing down words that I heard because I saw there was no one who knew how to translate a word from Hebrew into Arabic in the field of communications of those days, he says.
In recent years, he has spent a great deal of time watching the Arabic satellite channels and collecting new words that appear there.
In addition, he adds a great many words from modern Arabic literature. I translated Naguib Mahfouz s writing. I get inspiration from these writings that is both spiritual and linguistic, he says.
According to Sagiv, it is actually the close relationship between Hebrew and Arabic that sometimes poses problems for the translator. Every language is a world of its own and is a body that develops and has values, he says. There are words in Arabic that are all-encompassing and cannot be translated exactly into Hebrew. These are languages that have an affinity but because of that, a difficulty is sometimes created. There are words that on the face of it are the same, but in actual fact they are not.
In his prologue to the dictionary, Sagiv wrote: For many generations, Jews and Arabs lived side by side in all of the Arab countries and the countries of Islam, from Iraq in the east, Syria and Egypt, to Morocco in the west, and the daily life and the cultural life of the members of the two cultures were intertwined with each other, with Arabic serving them as a mutual language of communication. True, there were periods of confrontation but these did not disturb the ongoing dialogue and discussion.
Sagiv himself remembers the good relations with his Muslim neighbors in the city of Basra in Iraq, where he was born in 1928. On holidays, the heads of the tribes would come to congratulate the chief rabbi and the head of the Basra Jewish community. In the Jewish Alliance school, where he studied, several Muslim teachers also worked.
Basra has a Shia majority and Sagiv says that was the main reason why the attitude toward the Jews there was positive. The Shia constitute the majority in Iraq, but they are in a minority position, he says. There is sometimes empathy between the minorities and that is why nothing bad was done to us. In 1941, there was a pogrom against the Jews of Iraq. In Baghdad, they murdered and raped for three weeks. In Basra, there were cases of looting but there were four families of Shia Muslims that came with their militias to protect the Jews. In that way, they prevented rape and murder.
The change in attitude toward the Jews came in 1933 with the death of King Faisal the First, who had been very open to the Jews. The change came with King Faisal s death. His son, Razi, was anti-Semitic and was a Nazi supporter.
Sagiv documented the history of the Jewish community in Basra in his book, The Jewish Community of Basra, published by Carmel in 2004. The events now taking place in Iraq cause him grief. After the fall of Saddam Hussein, we had a great deal of hope. People called me and said, take us for a trip to Basra. But that s a dream. It s good that Saddam has fallen, but to my great sorrow, the Americans knew how to topple him but did not know how to continue. They entered Iraq without knowing the codes of the various communities there.
In 1951, Sagiv came to Israel. Here he met Marcelle, who was born in Egypt and worked as a secretary at the Arabic division of Israel Radio. Later she worked at the radio and the television in Arabic, among other things as a diplomatic reporter. She was well-known as the moderator of the Mifgash program and also served as the Israeli press attaché in Egypt. They have lived together for decades, on the seam between the two cultures.
The Egyptians are generally very amiable people, and they love learning, and have a sense of humor, says Sagiv. There was openness in Egypt - there were times when it was a liberal country of the first degree.
Sagiv regrets also the attitude toward Arabic culture in Israel. According to him, the situation with teaching Arabic in Israel is deteriorating. Every new education minister declares that he will increase Arabic studies, but they merely become less. If there were more teachers who absorbed the language, perhaps they would arouse more identification on the part of the pupils. I hope that this dictionary will contribute something to the openness on both sides.
Ofri Ilaniis a Ha aretz correspondent. This article is distributed by the Common Ground News Service (CGNews) and can be accessed at www.commongroundnews.org.
Source: Ha aretz, 28 April 2008, www.haaretz.com. Copyright permission is granted for publication.


Clic here to read the story from its source.